retary to go seek permission from the enforcement director and meet the chief minister and ask him to put in his papers. k a r a n t h a pa r: you would’ve sent the chief secretary as a special emissary to meet the chief minister this morning in tihar jail and ask him specifically to put in his papers. in other words, you would’ve sent a polite request saying, enough is enough now, you must resign. naj e e b j u ng: actually, it is the duty of the chief secretary to do so. there’s no need for the lieutenant governor to be advising him. the chief secretary should be well aware of the rules. he should know he is the secretary to the cabinet, and he should know that the cabinet cannot function from jail. k a r a n t h a pa r: okay. are you concerned about the functioning and efficacy of the delhi government whilst arvind kejriwal is in jail? and i’m talking about both situations, either that implausible situation where he continues to function as chief minister from jail, or a situation where he resigns and someone replaces him. in either event, whilst arvind kejriwal is in jail, are you concerned about the functioning and efficacy of the dehi government? and i ask because most people would say that he’s both the government and the party in himself. how will either fare without him? naj e e b j u ng: yes, i think that the government would be very hard pressed to be effective. they are having seminal problems with the civil service who as it is, don’t cooperate with them. and with arvind miss- ing from, shall i say, the battlefield, the party will suffer. governance would certainly suffer. i think it is extremely implausible that he will, he will continue as chief minister. aatishi is a very bright person. she is from st. stephens college, is a rhodes scholar. she speaks the right language, but i don’t think that the party cadres would really follow either her, or saurabh bhardhwaj, or for that matter, mr. bharti. k a r a n t h a pa r: but you’re also saying that with arvind kejriwal in jail for the foreseeable future, and we have no idea how long he’ll stay there. you are beginning to see the delhi administration under the aap government slowly, steadily unravelling. naj e e b j u ng: yes. actually, what would happen is that the lt gov- ernor would play a much more important role or much more active role, shall i say? k a r a n t h a pa r: finally, as a former lt. governor, are you able to assess what will be the impact of last night’s dramatic arrest on kejri- wal’s popularity in delhi? naj e e b j u ng: it’s a very difficult question to really answer. kejriwal is an exceptionally clever political animal. when he resigned after 49 days there was one year of president’s rule but he came back with 67 seats, and he repeated that with 63 seats in the next five years. so, my own assess- ment, if you were to ask me, is that it would be politically beneficial for by the way, if he is released and comes out, this episode will be forgotten by the 25th of may when delhi goes to polls. so, martyrdom beckons and if he stays in jail, then arvind is capable of projecting a new kejriwal, the kejriwal that we had seen in the india against corruption movement, a man with a gandhian image, shall we say. najeeb jung him to stay in jail and fight the election from there. that gets him the sympathy, that makes him a martyr. to go to the supreme court or to the high court today, and for the bail to be rejected doesn’t seem so nice. by the way, if he is released and comes out, this episode will be forgotten by the 25th of may when delhi goes to polls. so, martyrdom beckons and if he stays in jail, then arvind is capable of projecting a new kejriwal, the kejriwal that we had seen in the india against corruption movement, a man with a gandhian image, shall we say. k a r a n t h a pa r : in other words, you’re saying to get the full benefit of being jail, to get the full benefit of the sympathy that would arouse in people, he needs to be in jail, right? till voting happens in delhi, which is not till the 25th of may. n a j e e b j u n g: yes, i think if the supreme court or the high court denies him bail, then he is in it for a long time. k a r a n t h a pa r: and that can be of benefit to him politically, even if personally it might be extremely discomforting. naj e e b j u ng: it’ll be beneficial. i think in the immediate election. it’ll be extremely difficult for him to manage jail life, if he is there for 7, 8, 10 months. i don’t think his health is very good. and jail can be extremely tough. destination india | april 2024 | 16